Baduk TV English: Cho Chikun vs Lee Changho – Searching for Exquisite Games: Episode 34

Searching for Exquisite Games is a Baduk TV series that reviews some of the best games of Go from the last few decades. The commentators are Yoon Seonghyun 9p and Shim Wooseop 7d.

Episode 34 looks at a game from the 8th LG Cup, played on June 19, 2003. Cho Chikun plays black and Lee Changho plays white.

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Searching for Exquisite Game: Episode 34.

Natural Enemy: If you can't avoid it, face it.

Hello everyone! Today's game is from the round of 16 of the 8th LG Cup.

This game was between Lee Changho 9p and Cho Chikun 9p.

It's interesting that we also see natural enemies from across borders.

The relationship between these two has been long and famous.

I looked up their head to head record.

To my surprise, Cho was behind 1-10!

What a one sided record!

Cho won only one game out of 11.

They ran into one another in the final of the 4th Tongyang Securities Cup in 1993.

During this series, Lee won by two games by 0.5 points.

Lee eventually prevailed and became the champion.

That match was the beginning their relationship.

Lee has never lost to Cho since then.

Since they live in different countries, they only met in international matches.

They ran into one another at crucial stages many times.

Once, when Cho Chikun was in Korea, he said something to Cho Hunhyun 9p (Lee's teacher).

He advised Cho Hunhyun to dominate Lee for a little longer, to help him to learn more.

It was something of a reprimand.

Cho Hunhyun responded by inviting Cho Chikun to play a game with Lee.

So that he could truly understand Lee's strength.

Cho Chikun eventually understood why Cho Hunhyun responded in that way.

Let's have a look at the game.

Cho Chikun plays black, Lee Changho plays white.

Cho played a pivotal role in the Japanese Go world, as the #1 player.

It's hard to understand such a record between two top players.

Apart from their strength, this record would also affect the players' spirits.

The difference between their styles could be one of the reasons for their lopsided record.

I think it's a bit difficult to fully explain though.

Even though it's the opening, Lee's moves seem a bit aggressive, given his style.

He'd have been confident against Cho.

Instead of taking the corner, Lee approached right away.

The first encounter is always important.

After Lee defeated Cho in this big match,

In particular, winning by 0.5 points twice,

Cho would have prepared thoroughly, to improve his record, every time he met Lee.

Cho is well known for his deep reading.

In the previous game against An Choyeong 9p he'd spent 70 minutes on the 10th move.

In doing so, he astonished many observers.

Most people are aware of his tenacity.

Instead of finishing the joseki, Cho pincered here.

Did it have something with his opponent?

If black answers here, white will pincer.

After black's kosumi, white extends here.

Of course, it's one of several possible variations.

Since speed has been emphasized in recent Go theory, black often tenukis.

This jump is essential for amateurs like me.

I don't think we can easily copy such a move.

It requires a deep understanding of the game. Tenuki is a good idea for those who like fighting.

If white jumps out, black will play here.

If black comes out like this, white's thickness will lose its value.

This is black's intention.

So white shouldn't play like this.

Pros never play as their opponent intends.

This was an interesting conception. Is it an extension or a pincer?

This move looks peculiar to me.

If black attaches, white hanes.

If black kosumis, this white stone becomes light. And white can attach here.

Then this moyo will become bigger.

If black answers, this extension is appropriate.

But if white has a thick moyo around here, he can extend further.

So Lee's move anticipated this variation.

White can still move this stone out later.

So black had to keep the pressure on white's single stone.

Is it ok for black if he can suppress this stone?

Let's compare the two variations.

This one is much better.

Because of the significant difference, white had to move out immediately.

And if this game had been played recently, white would have attached here, after making this exchange.

White's group can't be captured with one move now.

However, this move wasn't popular at the time.

In the actual game, Lee haned. The game was bound to become fiercer.

After black blocked, Lee pushed here.

I thought black would hane at the head of two stones, like this.

But white can fight, thanks to this stone.

Black has no choice but to cut here.

After this atari, white hanes and manages his group.

This group is more or less safe.

In contrast, black has lots of weaknesses now.

There are too many to defend.

Therefore, black couldn't choose this variation.

So jumping here was inevitable.

Lee expected black to answer like this, which is why he extended to here.

He kosumied to avoid being enclosed.

After black's push, white jumped.

In the lower right joseki, this move is common. So white secured this area naturally.

Cho tenukied and approached here.

Locally, this attachment is a good tesuji.

However, white can come out in this case, aiming at black's weak points here.

So this move would be an overplay.

It's possible to clamp if black has a stone here.

In the actual game, Cho chose to wedge.

Even though he gained thickness, this exchange can be unprofitable in terms of territory.

Since this group was weak, the wall would help black.

Cho attached here.

In response to white's hane, this extension is essential.

This knight's move is a common tesuji in this sort of shape.

Wouldn't it be nice for black if he could play there in sente?

This exchange is clearly profitable in this variation.

But white will play a tiger's mouth like this.

Isn't it a bad move because of this peep?

Yes, this peep will force white to make an empty triangle.

But, in this case, white will come out here.

Can he sacrifice these two stones?

Yes, then white can pincer here.

Black gained about ten points by capturing these two stones.

But white took sente and this pincer is an excellent move!

Since Cho didn't like this variation, he decided not to follow it.

Well, this resistance looks very powerful.

So Cho attached here first.

Then Lee took this point instead.

I saw Lee's confidence in his next move.

He played some severe moves here.

In the actual game, Lee pushed and haned.

After that, he cut immediately.

In Lee's recent games, you often these sorts of aggressive moves.

So we're familiar with this kind of play.

But, at the time, Lee's style was extremely cautious.

He almost never overplayed.

But, against Cho, his moves were strangely aggressive.

This tiger's mouth looks more like his typical style.

If black tenukis, white's aim becomes much more powerful.

In order to defend, black needs to capture white's stone.

Then this move looks very good.

This variation would be in keeping with Lee's previous style.

Lee's good record against Cho would have led him play this severe move.

If one loses several games in a row, the opponent will become more confident.

Because of that, Lee didn't hesitate to fight from the beginning.

Cho spent a long time on the next move.

He ataried here, but it provoked white's squeeze in the corner.

Normally, black should just capture, without exchanging this atari.

Black could've prevented the squeeze. Why didn't he play like this?

If white extends, black ataris with a bamboo joint.

Black's ok, because he can separate white later.

I think Cho was worried about this move.

Black has to atari.

Capturing this stone doesn't make any sense.

After that, white's connected.

If white plays here, isn't this group in danger?

After taking a loss in the corner, white can attack black like this.

White's practically connected, even if black tries to split like this.

However, black can wedge here, to exploit white's thin shape

This move is sente too.

If white tenukis, black will double hane.

If white cuts, this extension is a tesuji.

Because of this cutting point, white's separated.

So this move is sente.

Because of that, white can't atari here.

After that, black peeps.

The peep is another forcing move.

Then black simply hanes.

White can't resist.

Black can live inside white's sphere of influence!

This group lives easily, with four points.

In addition, white lost several points in the corner, while black exchanged this move in sente.

He can connect under later.

Now white's group seems to be floating in the center.

So black's position is more flexible than it looks.

In this way, black could've rescued his group.

Therefore, Cho's concerns were unnecessary.

This is quite an easy way to live.

So black should have ataried here, without exchanging the other atari.

If white connects here, the aji we just saw is removed.

However, it allows black to jump out. That's a big difference.

Black's position looks great.

These two positions are incomparable.

Black can always make one eye here in sente.

Cho played very carefully.

By choosing this move, he prevented white's immediate cut.

But white could still cut here and squeeze, which was painful.

At this point, Lee blocked here, instead of connecting.

And it was a nice move.

In some cases, this kind of move is risky.

But it was the fuseki.

If black plays like this, a ko will start.

Even though it's the fuseki, here's a local ko threat!

Does black have a good threat?

No, he doesn't.

After losing the ko, this group will be in danger.

This is black's only threat, but white will ignore it, of course.

If black drills through the corner, white connects here.

Even if black captures this stone, this group isn't alive yet.

It will be attacked very severely.

This ko was too big for black to deal with.

Therefore, white's severe move worked well.

Cho would have wanted to play here, but there was no ko threat.

Instead, he cut here to see how white would continue.

In response, Lee haned, to capture the corner.

Cho ataried here.

And Lee captured Cho's group by extending.

After this move, black's six stones were dead.

This move is sente, because black can make a ko if white tenukis.

Nevertheless, these stones were dead.

After giving up the corner, Cho made a ponnuki.

So the first contest was decided.

White squeezed and captured black in the corner.

It was a good achievement for white.

In contrast, the ponnuki in the center was also powerful.

Since Black's moyo was nice and deep, white couldn't easily invade the top side.

Interestingly, the observers' opinions were differed on who was better.

Territory oriented players said white was successful, since the corner was big.

Those who like thickness said they'd like to take black.

All things considered, the outcome was even.

Black could've taken the lead if he'd cut and capture white's stone without the bad exchange.

In conclusion, Lee's attempt to cut black was an overplay.

But it can be seen that Lee's confidence led to such a result.

Overall, it was a very interesting variation.

Unable to invade deeply, Lee had to reduce black's moyo, like this.

Even though this move hasn't been played often recently, it's Lee's favorite move.

Many people imitated Lee and played this move for a long time.

Initially, Japanese players were surprised when they saw it.

Because this kind of bad shape move is taboo in Japan.

But, soon after, Japanese players didn't mind making this empty triangle either.

Obviously, they were influenced by Lee.

To my surprise, Lee cut here, despite this solid wall!

I couldn't understand his intentions.

Why did he cut? Could he possibly fight here?

No, he couldn't. Let's see the actual progression.

After this exchange, Cho extended.

White can't fight like this.

Because of the ponnuki, this fight can't be favorable for white.

It's almost suicidal.

Lee's choice was this knight's move.

In response, Cho jumped here. Wasn't the previous cut bad then?

Maybe yes, but this extension was still sente.

Although white wouldn't move out immediately, there's still some aji.

White could jump or wedge later.

If white plays here, without exchanging the cut, black would check white like this.

Indeed, black has time enough to play there.

Depending on the situation, black can sacrifice this stone later.

And he can develop another moyo.

This moyo could be bigger than the other one.

So cutting was part of Lee's sacrifice strategy.

So he could aim at some aji from the outside.

Black was supposed to build the moyo at top.

In exchange, Lee could tenuki and develop another area.

However, it's extremely hard to execute this kind of strategy well.

Cho expanded his moyo, with fighting spirit.

Lee played an asking move at this point.

But the variation here defied Lee's predictions.

Cho tenukied and attached here.

After that, a big exchange occurred.

Lee thought this extension was sente, but Cho resisted.

In response to this followup, Cho attached here.

Could black manage his group without sustaining any damage?

If white hanes, black cuts here.

By cutting here, black can rescue his group.

So white couldn't capture black immediately.

If white hanes on the inside, black still cuts.

This group easily escapes.

There was no problem in saving this group.

Despite some bad aji, there was nothing definite at the top at this point.

White couldn't answer black's attachment like this.

If black keeps playing in the center, the aji will be removed automatically.

The previous exchanges will turn into bad moves.

This was Cho's plan.

In this situation, a good tesuji appeared.

Lee couldn't respond as Cho intended.

So Lee wedged here!

This move was clearly sente.

Which means that other moves around here could be sente too.

So black had to be wary of the aji.

As a result, Cho ataried on this side.

Let's see the actual game first.

They reached a compromise.

The result was a trade.

Though simple, this variation wasn't satisfactory for black.

Even though he took profit on the left, these two stones were big and important.

Well, his moyo was erased.

In addition, there was still aji at the top.

There are some alternatives to this.

This wedge had a powerful aim, by the way.

Black should have ataried on this side.

What about the aji at the top?

White can hane here.

Before doing that, this move is sente.

Black has to cut here, with fighting spirit.

Cho was worried about these four stones.

It's even bigger than Cho's sacrifice in the game.

If white plays here, they're dead.

Isn't it worse than the actual progression then?

Not really, because black can exploit his dead stones.

First, this turn is sente.

After that, black can double atari.

White has to come out.

Let's compare this variation with the actual game.

White got ten points here.

This means black lost as much as komi by sacrificing two more stones.

But the aji here was removed.

This is clearly good for black.

And above all, look at black's moyo on the left!

It's a very solid moyo - much better than the one in the game.

Black made another ponnuki and this moyo is much thicker.

Sacrificing more stones is more profitable!

Cho knew white could capture his four stones.

Nevertheless, this variation would have been a lot better.

There were no objections amongst the observers. Everyone said that black should have played like this.

Eventually, the conclusion was that Lee's extension was too early.

If Cho had answered properly, Lee would have lost many points here.

But sacrificing more stones is hard to do practice.

Because it's unprofitable in principle.

It seems like Cho was somewhat discouraged by Lee's wedge.

If an overplay goes unpunished, it can become better than normal moves.

Compared to the previous variation, black's moyo wasn't very solid.

The two positions are incomparable.

After that, Cho enclosed the corner with this kosumi.

He had a ponnuki in the center, so he wanted to expand this moyo.

At this point, Lee played an interesting move.

Normally white approaches here and extends like this.

If black kosumis, it's ok for white.

But since black has a good moyo on the left, he could pressure white like this.

White has to answer somehow.

But black can secure his moyo along the seventh line.

It's way too big.

So Lee chose to approach more closely.

In response to this pincer, Lee played a shoulder hit.

Right from the beginning of the game, Lee played creatively.

This kind of move is rarely seen in Lee's games.

Of course, Cho resisted by attaching here.

Then Lee blocked here.

If black captures this stone, white can extend here.

This stone plays its role in a clever a ruse.

If white erases this moyo, he'll be far ahead on territory.

This was Lee's intention.

Cho sensed Lee's plan.

So he pincered here.

Lee attached here, to see how Cho would respond.

After that, he invaded at 3-3.

Moving this group out would be too heavy, so the invasion was appropriate in this case.

Because of the aji in the corner, Cho couldn't cut when white haned.

If black cuts, white will atari and separate black.

Because the bottom side didn't have much potential, Lee chose to live in the corner.

This group was alive now.

Was this move necessary? There were many big points on the board.

Lee decided to see how black would answer.

It wasn't just big, it had a followup aim.

If black tenukis, white can atari and break through here.

After that, he could connect under.

So that move was better than it looked.

Players like Lee love these sorts of big, meaningful moves.

After this move, Lee could aim at some aji.

Nevertheless, Cho couldn't respond to that.

Black should have just captured this stone, but he jumped first.

Because Cho was worried about white's attachment, he played here first.

Cho thought he was behind at this point, so he persevered.

Since white had already extended here, he should have revealed his aim immediately.

If black hanes, white can simply fight.

Since there was lots of aji, this battle would be possible.

If black extends, white can keep pushing.

It was a good opportunity for Lee to erase black's moyo.

Would Lee think that he was ahead at this point?

Yes, that's why he didn't take a risk, and simply jumped here.

Capturing these two stones was a big success for Lee.

His positional judgment was correct.

But it'd still be better to harass black by moving this stone out.

If this game were played now, he'd rescue this stone.

Because of Lee's soft move, Cho gained time to defend his moyo.

Let's continue after the break.

Today's theme is 'natural enemies'.

The progression so far hints at why they're natural enemies.

Up to here, Lee's severe moves can be seen very often.

And it was unusual for Lee to play like this at the time.

His severe moves were successful, so he pulled ahead.

After taking the lead, Lee played as safely as possible.

This was typical of Lee's style.

He was confident in his position. But there was still a lot of empty space on the board.

Right, this moyo hadn't been decided yet.

After this move, Lee attempted to leave some aji on the left.

After exchanging the atari, Lee peeped here.

Connecting here would leave another forcing move on the other side, so Cho resisted.

It's very special that Cho released the stone he'd already captured.

If white moves his group out immediately, black can fight, thanks to the ponnuki.

So Lee played an asking move here, which was interesting.

If black blocks here, this atari works.

This move is sente too.

If white hanes, black's group will be in danger.

These exchanges will eventually strengthen these three stones.

And this tiger's mouth will be helpful in the fight.

Because of that, Cho just ataried here.

Then, after Lee connected, Cho expanded the center.

The center was becoming larger.

Even though the left side was reduced, Cho still had a big moyo in the center.

If he could make 25 points there, this game would be even.

When Cho played here, both players were in byo-yomi.

So the byo-yomi was another variable in this game.

By the way, I've rarely seen Cho trying to build a moyo in the center.

His nickname is the 'Explosives Artist' [he's very good at invading and reducing moyos].

That's why he hardly ever develops the center.

Since he was behind though, he had to try to get something in the center.

Cho didn't fall back. He persevered as hard as he could.

If white hanes here, he intended to cut immediately.

Lee exchanged this hane.

Cho's fierce resistance would have troubled Lee.

Because of that, Lee couldn't finish the game as early as he'd intended.

If Lee had saved his cutting stone earlier, he wouldn't have had to worry about the center now.

Lee used to win his games without any fights.

Lee exchanged some forcing moves here.

After that, he kosumied, to reduce black's moyo.

If he'd been pessimistic about the result of the game, there was a more decisive strategy for white.

The most important thing is to erase the center.

To do this, white has to push first.

Black will persevere by cutting here.

When white hanes here, black has no choice but to cut again.

This extension is sente.

All these moves are sente too.

After this extension, white attaches here.

There are so many forcing moves!

Furthermore, this hane is also sente.

To save this group, black has to hane here.

In conclusion, this group can't be captured.

White already has plenty of eye space in the center.

On the one hand, Lee's patience was impressive, but on the other hand it looked indecisive.

Whenever he was ahead, he didn't even look for places where he could easily make something.

He thought it was unnecessary.

Whenever I've asked him about moves which could've finished a game earlier, he's already known about all of them!

But he doesn't reveal such moves in the game.

That makes me wonder why he even spends time reading those moves, if he's not going play them anyway.

It's because he's worried that he might've overlooked something.

It's a matter of psychology.

It's extremely hard to conceal such aims in one's mind. It requires a great deal of patience.

As we just saw, there were many forcing moves and white could've easily destroyed the center.

However, Lee chose a very simple move instead.

He decided to win by a few points.

With this hane, Lee took some profit at the top.

This was the safest way for Lee to win.

If black cuts here, white can connect, with many points.

But Cho resisted with this hane.

Cho was behind, so he had nothing to lose.

Since Lee couldn't connect if he answered, he played a tiger's mouth.

After that, Cho played here, reducing white's corner territory.

The game was becoming fiercer.

Instead of cutting here, Lee pushed.

If white cuts, black will block.

This capturing race isn't easy for white.

Black has many liberties on the outside.

It's complicated.

White's in trouble.

After this move, Cho played in the corner.

He couldn't connect here, because white would capture his group.

This group finally lived.

Then Lee captured these stones.

Instead of this, there was an interesting move.

Let's compare the two variations.

After this exchange, Cho blocked off the center.

Since there was still some aji there, this move was urgent.

There were weaknesses in the corner too, but black just sacrificed his stones.

If white plays here, black can give up these two stones.

Living in the corner is good enough for black.

When we reviewed this game, we found another move.

What was that?

Capturing the four stones was big, but white could've prevented black's tenuki.

This hane would be meaningful.

Isn't this atari sente?

If black cuts, white captures this stone.

Isn't this white stone dead? Can't black tenuki and rescue his four stones?

In that case, white connects here.

Black's rescued his stones by sacrificing this one.

In terms of points, this move is quite big.

But if white connects here, he can aim at some aji in this area.

Well, the center is getting thinner.

Yes, it will be vulnerable to white's schemes.

Even if black answers here, there's still more aji in the corner.

By cutting here, white can make a ko later.

And if black falls back in the corner, white exchanges this move, before capturing these stones.

Here's the difference.

First, white will come out here.

Instead of capturing these two, white can hane here.

If black cuts, this move is a nice tesuji!

If black captures these two stones, white can recapture.

This exchange is important, but it wasn't exchanged in the actual game.

If there's no exchange here, black can block here.

This ko is risky for white too.

And here's another ko.

What about this move? Let's have a look.

After this atari, black has to play here.

It's a double ko.

White can't capture this group.

But if Lee had exchanged these moves before capturing these stones, he could've aimed at the ko.

In other words, black wouldn't have had time to defend the center.

This move order is exquisite.

However, this situation required delicate reading.

Because of the value of the four stones, Lee overlooked that variation.

Eventually, Cho was able to block off the center.

In response to Lee's extension, Cho persevered by defending the corner.

Cho kept playing strong moves.

The focus was on how many points black could build in the center.

White's corner was destroyed as a result of the trade.

The top side was neutralized.

Since black took points in white's corner, it was worth twice as much.

Therefore, these negotiations turned out to be profitable for black.

Cho caught up a little in that battle.

Lee kept reducing the center.

After white connected, black defended his weak point.

Black had to extend now.

If he resists, white will atari and turn here.

Because of the atari, black can't cut white after this hane.

So this was the proper move.

Since Lee was in byo-yomi, he played time-suji (a move which postpones the byo-yomi).

Lee needed time for positional judgment.

Based on the calculation he made now, he'd decide how severely to play in the center.

Lee thought about this position for a long time, and eventually chose to hane here.

It was the conclusion of Lee's positional judgment.

In response, Cho cut here.

In order to gain time to think, Lee played several bad exchanges beforehand.

He could've destroyed the center more easily earlier on.

Cho couldn't fall back, so he cut immediately.

So the center became the final battlefield.

The highlight of today's game is a life and death problem. Let's keep going.

Lee had many chances to win this game more easily.

He needed some time to choose the next move.

All these exchanges wasted ko threats.

They'd have been absolute ko threats, but now were used as time-suji.

In response to white's hane, black couldn't fall back.

This move was another time-suji.

Lee thought he was highly likely to make something in the center.

However, he wasn't absolutely sure of it.

That led him to play several time-sujis.

On the other hand, Cho got a good opportunity to reverse the game.

Since losing his two stones in the top left, he'd been behind.

But if black captured white's center stones now, he'd win the game.

Lee attached here!

It looks like a tesuji.

Lee would've looked at many moves during his thinking time.

He was playing many forcing moves.

It's amazing that he found that attachment during his last byo-yomi.

White's moves here were plausible.

After exchanging several forcing moves, white was threatening black.

Did white intend to live on the inside, by feigning an attack on black's center group?

If white's group dies, he'll have lost many points.

Lee needed more time to think.

He was uncertain of his reading under time pressure.

Cho was attacking as severely as he could.

Well, this cut seems good.

This combination looks plausible.

Cho captured this stone!

But white was able to connect his group.

Was this the end of the game?

198 moves, white (Lee Changho 9p) wins by resignation

The final battle wasn't as fierce as I expected.

The battle could've been very complicated though.

Lee played many forcing moves in the center.

He wasted many potential ko threats as time-suji.

I think this attachment was a nice tesuji.

Cho responded as severely as possible.

This extension was sente because of this net.

Black had to answer here.

White's moves around here were excellent, and black had two choices.

Let's look at this move.

If white encloses here, black has to push and cut.

If black ataris here, white can counter-atari here!

Black can't connect here.

Black has to capture white's single stone, but white can atari and destroy the center.

So it's impossible, and this hane was good.

After this exchange, Lee haned here.

Because of this atari, black had to answer.

In the actual game, Cho exchanged this move and captured this stone.

Even though he resolved the right side, white ataried here.

With this tiger's mouth, white can connect his group.

If black tries to separate white like this, white captures this stone.

Black can't cut because white can rescue his stones.

Then black's group dies.

So Cho resigned. But we found another way to play.

Instead of this move, black should have captured this stone first.

These stones will die.

But black can capture this stone. If white ataries, black just connects here.

Well, white only has one eye now.

If white comes out, black can push and enclose.

If white plays here, black can throw in!

It's a common tesuji.

If white connects, black ataris.

White only has one eye here.

So white has to look for another way.

This hane is the best move white can choose.

Black has no choice but to cut here.

Is it a ko?

This ko will decide the winner of the game.

Black has several ko threats on the right.

These moves are all threats.

In contrast, white has a threat here.

However, Lee removed many ko threats to gain time.

White can't withstand black's five threats.

Cho's perseverance would've led to success if he'd followed this variation.

But he fell down at the last hurdle.

He didn't have enough time to read accurately.

If Cho had played like this, Lee would have experienced the worst kind of loss.

Even though he made a ko in the center, he removed a number of ko threats because he was in byo-yomi.

If this had resulted in a loss, Lee would've been very depressed.

His cautious strategy at the end might've cost him a lot and weighed on his mind.

However, Cho couldn't overcome Lee again.

Throughout the game, Lee's confidence against Cho was impressive.

We're looking forward to hearing your suggestions!

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